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Pastor Keion (00:21):
Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of Take Action. I am Pastor Keon Henderson. I am obviously privileged to give leadership to the Lighthouse Church and I have with me a co-host like no other, a host in his own right, I shouldn’t even say co-host, but I’ve got a cohort I should say in the gospel that’s going to be here with us today and you’ll get a chance to meet him as we go. I’m talking about none other than the campus pastor of our newly launched southeast campus that is two weeks old and is already breaking records because of the voice and the mantle that’s on this man of God. Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time, some of you all, but for the second or third time for the rest of you all, Bishop Cion Roberts. How you doing cousin? I’m good man. Just honored to be here. Thank you for having me, man. Listen, and so when I say cousin, guys, everybody call each other cousins, but this is actually my blood relative. We are cousins born and raised together. Both come from Gary, Indiana and now he’s a bishop. He is a prophet. He is. What’s a potentate? I always
Bishop Roberts (01:32):
Heard people say, what’s the pole tape? Somebody got to tell me, I don’t even know what it is.
Pastor Keion (01:37):
Alright. A prognosticator of the gospel. He’s a real, real, real gifted man of God and glad to have you. So how are you enjoying Houston so far? Man,
Bishop Roberts (01:46):
I love it man. If it wasn’t for the people that love me and I love back home every time I come, it’s
Pastor Keion (01:53):
That they’re leaving. So it speaks to the integrity, the transparency and the relationship you have with those people. I know this ain’t the lesson, but somebody might be watching.
Bishop Roberts (02:03):
Pastor Keion (02:04):
What are you doing or what have you done as a leader and as a person that makes your future comfortable with you while you’re also making your present comfortable as well.
Bishop Roberts (02:17):
A lot of praying.
Pastor Keion (02:18):
Bishop Roberts (02:19):
Just Lord, what would you have me to do here? And I understand clearly what Abraham went through when the Lord said, go to a place which I will show you.
Pastor Keion (02:28):
Bishop Roberts (02:28):
Walking and I’ll show you each step of the way. But mainly just like you said, integrity. Just trying to make sure that I am caring for the transition process of those people because knowing that it’s not going to be easy for them to share me or even know that God is opening me up to new places. So just trying to be integral with that.
Pastor Keion (02:51):
It’s amazing and I had to walk that walk 14 years before you and I don’t know what it was like you but for me, I remember two or three days where I laid in the bed and was paralyzed. I remember tears in my eyes and should I go? Should I stay? Is this what God wants? Is this my ambition? And obviously God has proven himself over the last decade plus four years to be faithful and have called me here. But it is difficult to go from place to place, glory to glory from present to future, from destination to destiny. That’s a tough walk. And you have to do it by faith. You got to do it by faith. Absolutely. And the Bible says that we walk by what? Like we walk by faith,
Bishop Roberts (03:37):
Not by sight,
Pastor Keion (03:38):
Not by sight. And so I thought it would be important to talk about faith today because you are doing it. And ladies and gentlemen, those of you all who are watching today, we’re going to talk about faith walkers and try to help you to figure out that without faith it is impossible to please God. And that in order for you to get from where you are to where God eventually wants you to be, it’s not going to be through manipulation, it’s not going to be through connectivity, it’s not going to be who you know, although that could help. It’s not going to be your bank account, although that might help. This is a faith walk and what you’re doing right now is a faith walk. And so I wanted to talk about faith and I wanted to talk about faith to a man who’s walking in faith. Tell me just in your opening arbitrary conversation, like what is this faith walk for you? And as you’ve been studying, what has the word been revealing to you about the tenacity, the importance, the enormity, the bigness of faith and how it connects to our destiny?
Bishop Roberts (04:43):
So the main thing is how Hebrews 11 tells us that now faith is the substance of things. Hopefully the evidence of things not seen that not seen part has been the biggest part because it’s talking about not being able to see it with your eyeballs, but it’s not blindly following God. I think we think that that means we just follow him blindly. It means he gives us sight in another realm. So I’ve had to ignore what my eyes and ears are hearing surrounding the transition, just the emotional nature of the transition and believe God based upon what he’s showing me it or has shown me in my spirit because they’re going to be distractions. There are going to be all kinds of things that the enemy will try to show you to keep you from moving or to make you fear what the next move is.
I had a dream about this years ago. I saw this coming. The Lord showed me us in a helicopter and you were flying me around the city, Houston giving me directions on what certain things were so I knew where my spirit this day was coming. And so that’s faith though. That’s God giving you that. He gave Joseph that dream giving you that so that in dark seasons you have something to hold onto and you can keep believing God, even though with these eyeballs and these ears, it don’t look like it. It don’t sound like it.
Pastor Keion (06:13):
That’s amazing because I remember you shared that dream with me and I’m going to tell you, I don’t know how many years ago you told me that I had no faith in that dream.
Bishop Roberts (06:24):
Pastor Keion (06:24):
Had no faith in that dream because when you had given me the dream, I didn’t have anything to show you. I didn’t have a location or multiple campuses. I’m not even sure if we were in this building yet. And if we were in this building, it didn’t look like this. So I didn’t have anything to go back and trust. Lemme tell you what happened after you told me that. I went and preached in Cape Town, South Africa. I’ll never forget when you told me to dream. I was sitting in your office and you told me about that dream. We subsequently spoke on the phone the next week I went to Cape Town, South Africa to preach. I haven’t been there in 5, 6, 7 years. It shows you how long ago we had this conversation. The pastor says to me, our church at that time, this church is only about three or four years old, the pastor says to me, he says, get ready to walk into your new building.
Bishop Roberts (07:14):
Pastor Keion (07:15):
That’s what he told me. Now lemme tell you where we were
Bishop Roberts (07:18):
Pastor Keion (07:19):
He said that we were in a school, we owned 10 acres of land outright paid cash for it, we owned it. Well, I take that back. We had a bond issue on it where we had showed people how to matriculate through their investments, ended up paying it back, sold the property for two times, almost three times the amount that we purchased it for. So now we’ve got money in the bank.
Bishop Roberts (07:45):
Pastor Keion (07:45):
We’ve got land we just sold. We’re in a school and he tells me in six months we’re walking into our new building.
Bishop Roberts (07:52):
Pastor Keion (07:53):
Now I would’ve believed it if we had started building that building, but we hadn’t. And I did not know how in the world we were going to be walking in a building in six months when God showed me that we were building a building. Little did I know that this building will come up for sale and we will be in it five months from the day
Bishop Roberts (08:12):
Pastor Keion (08:13):
He gave the prophecy. So while you were talking to me in faith, he was speaking to me by faith
Bishop Roberts (08:19):
Pastor Keion (08:19):
Here I am in the midst of your faith,
Bishop Roberts (08:21):
Pastor Keion (08:22):
You saw, his faith, what he saw, my lack of faith because of what I couldn’t see, talk to people about how to get out of that physical site of faith that we’re always connecting our physical site to it to what I really think you’re saying is exchanging eyesight for insight. Talk a little bit about that.
Bishop Roberts (08:43):
Well, so being able to see, so the Bible says that it’s the evidence of things not seen.
Pastor Keion (08:54):
Bishop Roberts (08:55):
In Romans he tells us hope that is seen is not really hope. So one thing we’ve got to do is we got to set our affections on things above. We got to stop being so connected to the things of this world and only having hope if we can see it. You got to take it from being able to lay your eyes on it naturally and know unless you can see it inside through your relationship with God, prayer time, all of that time with God. That’s how you begin to see things spiritually and you start believing them. One of the things that I struggle with man is even just faith in my ministry. So when God prophetically speaks to me sometimes in the beginning I would doubt it. And so I would give partial prophecies. I know this just happened to me Friday night, so I’m still trying to work that thing out. I’m prophesying to a lady, you’re talking about faith. I’m prophesying to a lady and I’m not believing what I hear. So I’m giving half of what it, he told me to pray for her. He told me her husband or this man that I was seeing told me his name was John and I heard it, but I asked her instead. Right, what’s your husband’s name?
Pastor Keion (10:05):
Bishop Roberts (10:05):
Said, John, my people would tell I almost had a fit. I was so mad at myself because I didn’t believe what God was trying to show me. So it takes relationship to really cultivate that insight to believe that’s what faith is, to believe what it is that God’s trying to show you. And that’s just relationship. That’s just trial and error sometimes. Sometimes he going to show it to you and you’re going to be mad at yourself. You didn’t fully believe what he showed to you.
Pastor Keion (10:35):
Yeah. I can just tell you my most recent experience was you sitting in that third seat and I’m in this pulpit and I know the Lord says to me, tell your cousin, tell him that God said that it’s time for him to move. You remember that?
Bishop Roberts (10:55):
Yeah. I remember
Pastor Keion (10:56):
To this place
Bishop Roberts (10:57):
Pastor Keion (10:57):
I’m in the pul pit struggling with it like no Lord, because number one Jesus, do you know that man hold churches watching right now?
Bishop Roberts (11:04):
Pastor Keion (11:04):
You understand that his board of elders and his deacons and his members and his mama
Bishop Roberts (11:10):
Pastor Keion (11:11):
All of these people you have influenced all over the world. Not only that, but now here’s my doubt. He’s a bishop, the senior pastor of a thriving church, and you’re going to ask, you going to tell him that God said
Bishop Roberts (11:23):
Pastor Keion (11:23):
I doubt it. And it wasn’t until you said to me from there you said, say what he told you to say.
Bishop Roberts (11:29):
Pastor Keion (11:30):
Say what he told you to say because faith is the substance of things hoped for, but it is the evidence tangible of things not seen, not tangible. And so in order to have faith, I actually have to believe in the invisible and the impossible at the same time believing that God will make a way. Is that an accurate assumption?
Bishop Roberts (11:51):
Absolutely. Absolutely. Because with God, all things are possible. So we like to box ourself in because we are control freaks to things that we can control. But understanding that God is going to do things that are going to be mind blowing. If you can do it, you probably don’t need faith for it. So whenever God shows you something, it’s going to be like, where do they do that? What bishops that are thriving and are part of organizations that are doing well comes to help me start another campus. But God knows how he does all things well. So you’re absolutely right in your definition of what it really, really, really is and what it really means because you’re going to have to be able to believe him for the invisible and the impossible.
Pastor Keion (12:38):
Because what I know for sure is that doing well in the assignment that’s over is worse than doing average in the one that God said start,
Bishop Roberts (12:52):
Pastor Keion (12:54):
If I had to listened to the people who said to me, since I’ve lived your story and we ain’t even talked about this, it ain’t even a prophecy, I can speak to it. Why would you leave something you control to go be with something that you don’t control? Why would you leave
Bishop Roberts (13:10):
Pastor Keion (13:10):
Being the head guy to be? I heard all of that stuff and I had to come here and be somebody’s assistant and be fired and humiliated and I had to do all of that
Bishop Roberts (13:20):
Pastor Keion (13:21):
Everybody back home was telling me that I shouldn’t have.
Bishop Roberts (13:23):
Pastor Keion (13:24):
Look at God now,
Bishop Roberts (13:25):
Pastor Keion (13:25):
Sometimes by saying no to our fears, we’re actually saying no to our promise. And sometimes saying no to the promise, you might not get another shot.
Bishop Roberts (13:37):
Pastor Keion (13:37):
Say this to you Bishop, and I want you to chime in on this. I thought I’ve lost money before, but God gave it to me again.
Bishop Roberts (13:45):
Pastor Keion (13:46):
I lost my car keys, but I always had a spare.
Bishop Roberts (13:50):
Pastor Keion (13:50):
Lost a lot of things I’ve learned in my life that the most dangerous thing on earth you can lose is your faith.
Bishop Roberts (13:57):
Pastor Keion (13:58):
Why? Because without faith is impossible to please God. So I can have everything in my life. I can have my gift, my anointing, my talent. I can have all of that. And I’m still inapt as it relates to pleasing God because there is only one way I can please him. And that’s by faith.
Bishop Roberts (14:15):
Well, so it is by faith through grace that we’re saved. Or even if the scripture is flipped, it takes faith for you to be saved. But it’s not the only thing that we use faith for. It’s not just for salvation. So it is if we consider the fact that he tells Jehosaphat to stand still and let me fight your battle. He tells us, you don’t need to fight in this. But the one thing he tells us to fight for is faith.
Pastor Keion (14:43):
Hold on, let’s see. See, if Pastor Torrance was up here, he would get out of that chair.
Bishop Roberts (14:48):
Pastor Keion (14:48):
Run around and he would say, Bishop
Bishop Roberts (14:50):
Pastor Keion (14:50):
Can’t say that. So you’re saying in the entirety of the scripture as a rule, God said he doesn’t give us the, I guess the ability or the encouragement or he doesn’t say fight any, but when it comes to faith,
Bishop Roberts (15:12):
Yeah. So remember what he says, he tells them the law first mentioned, tells them you shall not need to fight in this battle because he knew later on there was going to be a battle. He was going to tell them they needed to fight. So you don’t need to fight in this one, you got to stand still and watch me win this one. He knew later he was going to have Jude pick up the pen and write, you do have to fight for this. And it was our faith.
Pastor Keion (15:36):
Oh, I can’t move on. I can’t move on. Hold on. Wait a minute, wait a minute. And the
Bishop Roberts (15:43):
Law first meant, I
Pastor Keion (15:44):
Think I hear Pastor Thomas
Bishop Roberts (15:45):
Pastor Keion (15:46):
So the law first mentioned, and I want to unpack this for, I don’t want you to miss what you just heard the law first mentioned. So he tells them, don’t fight here.
Bishop Roberts (15:54):
Pastor Keion (15:55):
You stand still and watch me handle this battle.
Bishop Roberts (15:58):
Pastor Keion (15:59):
Conserve your energy. There is a battle you are going to have to fight. Fight
Bishop Roberts (16:03):
Pastor Keion (16:03):
And contend for. And we must contend for the faith. Now, I think that’s important. If I’m not mistaken, the book of Jude is the writer’s punch or attempt at getting us to get out of heresy and false doctrine.
Bishop Roberts (16:21):
Pastor Keion (16:22):
So we’ve got, and I’m going to pull up Jude here real quick because if I’m remembering it, at the time of Jew, his expose was really talking againsts the whole that false teachers were having Judaizers having in the faith, right? And so he’s talking about, and the book doesn’t have chapters because there’s only one, it’s just a bunch of verses. And he goes on to say stuff like, Hey, be careful with this faith thing. Lest you have the immorality of places like Sodom and Gaura. And he talks about a few other things about, lemme see, I got to pull it up now you got my wheels turning Jude Levin. What Sorrow awaits them for they following the footsteps of Kain
Bishop Roberts (17:13):
Pastor Keion (17:13):
Killed his brother Abel. And like Balaam, they deceived people for money. So he’s talking about false doctrine, he’s talking about Judaizers false teaching, he’s talking about sexual impurity, he’s talking about Sodom and Gomorrah, and he’s telling us that our response to that is not marching, it’s not petitions to the government.
Bishop Roberts (17:36):
Pastor Keion (17:36):
Of that’s fine, but the church shall live by
Bishop Roberts (17:39):
Pastor Keion (17:40):
Talk a little bit about that.
Bishop Roberts (17:42):
So he says, for we walk by faith and not by sight. That’s second Corinthians chapter five, I believe. And then in the Old Testament it tells us that just shall live by faith. By faith, right? By faith.
Pastor Keion (17:54):
Bishop Roberts (17:54):
So it is classifying who this is. The first thing is letting us know if you’re just, you’re going to live by not what you see with your natural eyes, but what you see with your spirit eyes. But that walking by faith is to me what’s extremely powerful because that word walk in the Greek, it means to make a stamp or an impression or it means to tread. Right? And so the tread, the Greek word for tread is to strike with one blow. Remember he told us in Luke, behold I give unto you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions. So when you’re walking by faith, you are treading, you are treading, you strike with one blow. In other words, I don’t need to give you a combo. It’s a one hitter quitter. If I believe God, I’ve already removed you of your power. I’ve already done the thing that the devil didn’t want me to do. And so he’s already knocked out just by my belief.
Pastor Keion (18:47):
So you’re telling me before I even pray,
Bishop Roberts (18:49):
Pastor Keion (18:49):
Before I even fast.
Bishop Roberts (18:51):
Pastor Keion (18:51):
Before I go to the al alter and get my faith is the initial and only blow that’s necessary to diffuse the works of the enemy.
Bishop Roberts (18:59):
Pastor Keion (19:00):
Listen guys, I hope y’all are listening to that, ladies and gentlemen, because I just need everybody to type in the chat real quick. One hitter quitter. That’s just listen, just one blow of faith
Bishop Roberts (19:11):
Pastor Keion (19:11):
Stop the assault of the enemy. That’s so good because we believe that Christianity is so complicated
Bishop Roberts (19:18):
Because pastor, I can believe absent of prayer. So it may not be time for me to pray, but I got to still believe. But I can’t pray absent of faith.
Pastor Keion (19:24):
See, don’t you get me to running.
Bishop Roberts (19:26):
Pastor Keion (19:27):
To get Pastor Torrance in here
Bishop Roberts (19:28):
Because he’s a runner.
Pastor Keion (19:29):
So I can pray and not believe, but I can’t believe and not pray.
Bishop Roberts (19:37):
Well the flip, the
Pastor Keion (19:38):
Bishop Roberts (19:39):
Right? So I can believe even if it’s not my prayer time, maybe it’s lunchtime, maybe it’s time for me to go to sleep.
Pastor Keion (19:45):
Bishop Roberts (19:46):
It’s time for me to do something else, but I got to keep believing so I can believe without praying. But I cannot pray if I don’t believe
Pastor Keion (19:54):
Bishop Roberts (19:54):
So people who want me to pray for them when I do altar calls, which is what I didn’t get a chance to do Sunday, you will. That’s my crux. I like the altar, right? Yes
Pastor Keion (20:01):
Bishop Roberts (20:02):
I tell people all the time, don’t even come if you don’t believe. Right? Because me laying hands on you is not, I believe. But do you
Pastor Keion (20:10):
Remember when Jesus says to the disciples, he says, he says you unbelieving
Bishop Roberts (20:15):
Pastor Keion (20:16):
Yeah. And I believe it because what he was saying is I gave you the power
Bishop Roberts (20:21):
Pastor Keion (20:21):
Do all of the stuff that all of these people are coming to me to do it. I outsourced the healing proposition to you. But you can’t do it, you don’t believe.
Bishop Roberts (20:31):
Pastor Keion (20:31):
So how many of us are walking around bishop in our churches, in our marriages, in our homes, on our jobs, living beneath the privilege that God has set us up, we should be laying our hands on the sick
Bishop Roberts (20:44):
Pastor Keion (20:44):
They be healed. But because we don’t believe we got to bring them to the altar, to the pastor, to the, and so should it be parents laying their hands on their children in the homes? Absolutely. Shouldn’t it be husbands laying their hands on their wives by faith?
Bishop Roberts (20:56):
Absolutely. Absolutely. It should be the longevity of that too, man. Just people. How many people do we know that used to believe?
Not even just apostasy, just people who are struggling in their faith. It was so interesting to me. Paul’s writing to Timothy in the second letter, the journey of Paul. So if you consider Paul before you get to what he wrote in Timothy, he is the guy who was on the Damascus road. He thought he was doing God a favor by killing Christians. He has this Damascus road experience and he’s in prison after prison, after prison. He’s now saved and he’s doing the work of the Lord. He’s been shipwrecked. All of this has been done. Now he’s writing this letter to Timothy at the end of his journey. What he writes is so powerful to me, so powerful to me. He said I fought a good fight. I have kept the faith. In other words, he’s suggesting that I had times where I could have lost it, but I kept it right. So he’s trying to tell them like, Hey, this is going to be a journey. When I got shipwrecked, I could have stopped believing when I got bit by that snake, I could have stopped believing when they kept throwing me in prison after prison, I still kept writing. I feel the anointing. I need to stop.
Pastor Keion (22:12):
No, no, you keep going. This is what they’re looking for because he’s believing being stoned.
Bishop Roberts (22:16):
Pastor Keion (22:17):
And I think that you all listen, you do not read Paul without putting yourself in the position
Bishop Roberts (22:25):
Pastor Keion (22:25):
Paul wrote all of the stuff that you quote. You got to understand, Paul didn’t write that in the palatial palace. Paul didn’t write that stuff in the corporate offices of his tent making
Bishop Roberts (22:36):
Pastor Keion (22:36):
He wrote that in the pit, in the prisons, in the chains of the Romans, in the prisons of Philippi. Imagine being in a cold, dark dungeon with no running tap water with rats, gnawing at your ankles. Absolutely. With rations of food to eat and you write, I can do all things through Christ just imagining. So he wasn’t writing by sight, he was writing by faith. One of my favorite characters in the Bible is Moses, something about Moses and everybody can always talk about how we get into the promised land, and I understand that, but my argument is that he did. He eventually did. It was though he was dead, but he still got there because God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That’s another message. But I love him because his life starts like many of the people who are watching like yours.
Bishop Roberts (23:29):
Pastor Keion (23:30):
Like mine. A person with two forces fighting them. He’s got his mama who’s hiding him
Bishop Roberts (23:38):
Pastor Keion (23:38):
He’s got Pharaoh who’s looking for him. So Pharaoh has the courage to search him out. His mama’s the courage to hide him out. And we know the end of the story. He ends up being the emancipator of Israel. Bishop, how do I keep my faith when I’m being perplexed on every side? How do I keep my faith when I’m, I’m perplexed and cast down and I lost my job. Paul is saying I kept to faith. Okay, I look at Paul as a super Christian, what am I supposed to do? Because I’m not learned like Paul, I haven’t the slightest idea where Jude is in the Bible. I’ve never read that before. What are some tools and tips that you can tell me to do to keep my faith? Because I feel like giving up.
Bishop Roberts (24:37):
So he tells us in John, if you ab abide in me John 15, if you abide in me, that word abide, it means to stay. It’s the same connotation of, Hey, Paul says I kept my faith. I feel like you have to. He says, the abiding place is in me. You literally have to surround yourself with him. That dwelleth in the secret place of the most high shall abide under the shadow.
Pastor Keion (25:08):
Bishop Roberts (25:08):
Way that you stay is that you have to make sure that you’re in him. And I know that sounds cliche, but man you were talking about, I can’t remember if it’s the meeting we just left out of, but you were talking about just what we put in our spirit
Pastor Keion (25:21):
Bishop Roberts (25:22):
Is distractions to us. So a lot of times it’s easy for him to just snatch. And I gave the example when I was preaching this of I had a towel and I had a gentleman trying to pull the towel away from me. It’s a tug of war and you got to hold on for dear life. And I tied it around my hand
Pastor Keion (25:38):
Bishop Roberts (25:38):
Was doing everything I could to not let go. Well, that’s what we got to do. Meaning, hey, if I got to guard my ear gates and eye gates, sometimes, like you said today earlier, what we subconsciously learn is what’s affecting our faith. The things that we just got playing in the background, the music we pop on when we get in the car. Well hey, if you’re trying to stay holy, you might not want to put certain things in your spirit. If you believe in God that you need something from God, watch what you put in. Some of this music is feeding your spirit. Some of what you watch on television, who you have in your ear. You might not want to call your gossiping friend if it is a bad season for you.
Pastor Keion (26:17):
Bishop Roberts (26:17):
Need to be around believers. You need to check your circle. So abiding in him, meaning you surround yourself like jumping into a pool and being underwater. There’s water all around you. You have to surround yourself with him if you’re going to really, really hold onto it.
Pastor Keion (26:31):
You talk about water, James one, six, I had the scripture pulled up, but when you ask, you must believe and not doubt because the one who doubts is like a wave in sea blown and tossed by the wind.
Bishop Roberts (26:45):
Pastor Keion (26:46):
So what ends up happening is faith is my anchor. And so faith lets the wind and the waves know you might try to move me, but you will only temporarily dislodge me from the position. But I’m not leaving this region. So you can make me shift left,
Bishop Roberts (27:04):
Pastor Keion (27:04):
Make me shift, right? But you’re not going to make me switch locations. Absolutely. Because my feet are firmly planted on this firm foundation. Talk about faith as an acre because alright, you’re in Gary, Indiana. You’ve got one of the most thriving churches in the city, if not the most thriving church. Your name notoriety in that region is known over in Chicago. Bishop William Hudson is an amazing man of God who’s preached here. You’re overseer. I remember having a conversation with him. People don’t understand the faith that it took for you to say, you know what? I’m going to transition from this place and let’s not even get into the history of what it means to you historically to be where you are. But somehow you allowed faith to disintegrate what would be comfortable for you historically to get what God would have for you eventually. I’m still wanting to dig in on a personal note. Has your faith been tested? And when it was, what did you do to overcome it? And how was faith so applicable in you being able to do what you’re doing right now?
Bishop Roberts (28:15):
So when you talk about faith as an anchor, it means it’s literally the thing that keeps you. So I would’ve been tossed if it wasn’t for my faith. I would’ve blown away.
I would’ve sailed out to sea into charter unchartered territory that was dangerous for me had it not been for the anchor, right? So when you talk about faith as my anchor Thai tribute wrote a song some years ago and it said, I have no other choice but to trust you, God will put you in these positions where you have to believe him. That’s all I have sometime. So it’s like, okay, I don’t have the money to do this. I don’t have the support to do this. God, why do you keep putting these things in my spirit? But there’s nobody around me that’s even willing or even able. So you can’t even get mad at them. They’re not even able to do it. So then what’s keeping me from being tossed? It was me believing what I saw in that helicopter that God showed me something. And so when you talk about faith, you’re just talking about the spiritual sight. So now you can break off into several different things. You could be doing this Bible study for weeks to come. Now you’re talking about the prophetic. Now you’re talking about revelation.
The guy that wrote the book of Revelation, John had the greatest revelation from an island where he was a prisoner by himself, right by himself. But he’s a prisoner in Patmos, which by definition means an unfruitful place. But he’s having the most fruitful book probably in the Old Testament. So my faith, as my anchor says, I see you. I have no other choice but to believe what I saw when everything around me says it’s not so and so. How am I not tossed? How am I not discouraged? How am I not losing my mind? How am I not letting depression overtake me? It’s because I believe what I saw. It’s a choice. If I choose to not believe, then I’m going to drift. If I choose to believe, then I’ll be anchored and I’ll see what I saw.
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Man, listen, the Bible says this and this is crazy that you said this. It’s in John 15. If you abide in me and my word abides in you, then you can ask whatever you will and it shall be done. So you talked earlier about you just have to be in God and it’s a cliche.
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Does he mean by that? By being in the word of God,
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Being in the word thy word. Have I hit in my heart so that I might not sin against you? Or the Bible is a lamp to your feet and a light to your path. We can go on and on and on about what that means. But what it makes me think about is when the Bible says in James one, two, and three, count it all joy. When you fall into divers temptations knowing this, that the trying of your
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With patience and let patience have this perfect work that you might be entire
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Satisfies need leaves me wanting nothing and it leaves me hurting because of nothing.
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Leaves me lacking nothing. And then this is what I think. It’s either verse 12 of chapter one, it says, therefore I will put on you the crown of life through that faith. That word crown in the Greek is the word stefanos, which means that God says, because you had faith for me in private, I’ve got a crown for you in public.
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That word stefanos is the Greek word that talks about getting the trophy
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Winning an Olympic game. So I’m rewarded
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Life is a sport. It is a journey, it’s a war. And having faith through that exercise prompts God to give you the crown. Now here’s the deal. When I get a crown, I’m respected in places I wasn’t respected before I got the crown.
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Right. You can take a person, an ordinary individual. Let’s go over to London and let’s take Harry and what’s his brother? I forgot it just that quick. Prince Harry,
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And William. And we take Brother William, just take brother William
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You take the away from William. He’s just like you and I. You put the crown on him
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The game changes. Game
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Because when you put a crown on a man, then he’s acceptable and accepted in places.
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So your faith, watch this. Your faith will open doors for you that no man can close.
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It’ll close doors that no man can open. Faith will get you a job you don’t qualify for. Faith will also cause you to walk away from one you do qualify for to open the business that God is putting your spirit something just leap digging.
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So you said faith satisfies. Do you know why faith satisfies needs? Because what faith is God showing you His will? Right? So the reason why faith satisfies is because when I’m connected to God and his will, I’m satisfied with whatever he wants,
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Whatever the outcome is,
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Right? So okay, you want me to walk away from this? Alright? I mean I wouldn’t have wanted to do that, but I saw your will.
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I’m satisfied with what you want. So it doesn’t matter what everybody else thinks. I’ve seen what you want. And that’s really what faith is all about. We used to sing the song back in the old church, satisfied with Jesus, right? That’s literally what that means. God, you’ve shown me your will. What Jesus did, let thy will be done, nevertheless, thy will be done. I don’t want to die, but I’ve already seen this. I know this is your will. So by faith I’m going to do this. And I think that that’s why we get satisfied. It satisfies needs because we see his will
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And the miracle in Mark chapter 10, when the man walks away, Jesus didn’t say to him, thy medicine has healed you. He didn’t say, thy insurance has healed you. He says, go thy faith
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Has healed you. Faith. Faith. We keep hitting on it. And how many scriptures do you think that you could subconsciously think about and regurgitate where faith was the antidote to the issue in the scripture?
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Well, I could tell you this. I know there are at least 80 that talk to us about not letting go of
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It. I didn’t even know, hold on. I didn’t even know he was going to have a real number.
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There’s at least 80 that talk to us about not letting go of it.
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I didn’t know he was going to have a real number. That’s crazy. So there are at least 80 scriptures in the Bible that I can reference that tells me
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To not let go of his faith or something relative to how if you’re not careful, you can lose it.
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Psalms one 19, I have chosen the way of faithfulness. I have set my heart on your laws talking about being in the word again. That was your first hitter
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You came out being in the word being in God. So being in God by faith almost allows me to see in my mind a shadow of the arc of the covenant where you have the manner that doesn’t spoil and you have the rod that blooms but doesn’t have roots. And you’ve got the law look at and let’s just the law still, although God didn’t come to abolish it, he did come to fulfill it. So there was still ramifications there.
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Got the manna that didn’t spoil or stale and then you got the rod Aaron’s rod, which is Moses’ rod that bloomed without being planted in the ground. So it seems to me that when I’m in God, which is the first answer to the faith conversation we’ve had, it seems like I can still be fruitful and productive in God even without the things that I thought were necessary.
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I don’t need to, for lack of a better explanation, thinking that a flower can only bloom if its roots are in the ground and it’s being watered and it’s being taken care of and it’s got sunlight. It’s obviously dark in the arc of the covenant, there is obviously no water in the arc of the covenant. There is actually no dirt in the arc of the covenant and yet it still blooms because when I’m in God, I can be fruitful. Even if I’m not employed, even if I’m not in a relationship, even if I’m not happy,
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I’m in God, I can still be fruitful.
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No, absolutely. You can still be fruitful and being in God. So we talked about just being submerged, abide in me. The best way for me to describe it is like what Paul says when it comes to our armor. So when he talks about faith, he says faith is a shield. And I’ve seen so many people mess this up and it just grieves me. I know a guy that did a whole series on the armor of God and it was the wrong armor. It was like medieval armor. And Paul is talking about Roman soldiers, right? That’s important because the Roman soldiers, what they did with their shield of faith was they drenched it in water, right? The fire Dar. Yes.
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Represents to us the word of God, right? Yes
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And so you’ve got to be fully drenched when we talk about how do I stay, how do I abide, how do I keep this faith? If that faith or if that shield is not drenched in water, it’ll catch on fire.
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But the thing that quenches the fiery darts of the enemy was the fact that it was drenched in his word.
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Man, that’s so good.
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Right? You got to stay drenched because other than that, what do you believe it in? And we got this weird thing going on now that the enemy is leading, that’s causing people to want to remove the word and Jesus and God from their faith and they believe it in just something. But make no mistake about it, you got to be drenched in the word of God in order for your faith to really be the enemy, the tool against the enemy that you needed to be. We’re
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Robbing the power from the faith. It is the big man upstairs.
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Believe in something bigger than me. There’s one lord,
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Faith, one baptism, and no man shall be saved except by that name.
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And so don’t let anybody fool you. You can’t just talk about the big guy and the man upstairs and I got faith, but it is not that. I just have faith. In whom do you believe?
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Who is your redeemer? That’s
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And so we got to make sure that in our efforts, and this is good, I’m glad you brought this up. In our efforts to be seeker sensitive,
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Cannot forget the fact that there is one who’s seeking that we would keep the father’s good pleasure. And that is Jesus himself, God, our Father, the Holy Spirit, our God. And he’s looking
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Those. He’s also seeking for those who will worship him in spirit. Not just in spirit, but in what? In truth and what is truth, the word of God. So don’t remove God.
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From that faith conversation.
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Right man, I pray that we’re helping somebody today because I think that somebody watching us, pastor is literally on the verge or was literally on the verge before this teaching of losing grip on their faith. And this is strengthening somebody. Even as we talk about it, I sense so many people going to receive strength from this message and what God is about to do in the Lighthouse Church and with the lighthouse nation and those across the country that are watching us and watching what God is doing in your life and the whole look of what it means to be a lighthouse, that’s all based on faith in the midst of a storm. When I’m about to lose my faith, if I just
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Go that way,
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I see that light right, my faith, it may be flickering but it’s still there.
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The lighthouse is promised that land is in that direction.
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And I’ve just got to get to that light. I’ve got to get to that light. And we’ve been talking about it over the last, I don’t know, five or six months about let your light shine, right? Because the more light we produce individually, the more light we can produce corporately
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This room isn’t lit up because of a light,
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This room is lit up because of a collection of lights
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Are all doing their job individually, but they’re all getting their power from the same source.
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Outside of this building. There is, and I’ve seen it because I’ve had to study. When you renovate and I’ve studied this entire campus, there’s a transformer outside and one day lightning struck it and we heard it. Boom, power went out. And from that point we decided that we never wanted to be in church again and had to go out because of the power. And Pastor Torrance, he’ll laugh at this. I said, we the lighthouse church. So if it’s one thing that should not
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Here is lights. So I’m a stickle about every light in this whole place got to work.
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We got a generator. We got a generator to make sure that if the power source went out that
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Could still operate.
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And so when I heard that power that transform out there blow, I asked the electricity man when he came, I said, what is going on? He said, well, I asked him what a transformer was. He said, well, you got to understand that currents come in both positive and negative. And he said, the purpose for this transformer that blew, which is why you can’t get power in the church, is because this thing that converts negative into positive and positive into negative. If it can’t get it to transform because too much negative ain’t good. Too much positive is irrational. It’s got to go through this transformer to produce power. And I sense that what we’re doing is we’re taking people through a transformative experience.
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Some of them have had more negative experiences than they can count.
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Some of us want to believe that if everything is positive,
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That’s a sign that God is at work. And that ain’t true either because it rains on the just as well as the unjust. And in order to have that faith, you’re going to have mountains, you’re going to have valleys,
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Going to have ups, you’re going to have downs, you’re going to have ins and outs. But I think what we’re trying to tell people today is that all of those things work together for the good of them that love the Lord and are called according to his purpose. I’ll give you the final word on what it means to be a faith walker. And you talked about that Greek word of faith.
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It really just means that no matter what happens, pastor, we’ve got to understand and trust that God’s shown us, what he showed us is going to come to pass. You use the word negative. Every believer needs to understand this. If faith is connected to our site and it is our spiritual site, iPhones have messed us up. The original way that any vision or any picture was developed was it had to start out as a negative. Alright? You then had to take the negative to a dark room in order for what was the image to be projected. It had to be a negative first and it had to go to a dark room. I need every believer to understand that the negatives in your life, the dark rooms of your life does not change what God has shown you.
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Listen, that’s a drop the mic moment. We’re going to end it right there. I want you to, if you haven’t seen this, because some of You’all may be young. You’ve never seen a wet image hanging from a clothesline in a dark room developing and they used to have a camera, a Polaroid camera that gave instant images. When it first came out, it was blank. It took time for the image to reveal itself. And I don’t want you to leave here thinking that just because your faith increased today, that you’re going to see the image of what you dreamed about tomorrow. That’s right. It takes time for the negative to become a picture, but I believe that not many days, hence God is going to turn around every situation in your life and he’s going to give you back everything that the can of worm has stolen.
Everything that the rust and the moth have tried to steal from you. Listen, we never like to leave without giving you an opportunity to so and to reap this is important to your faith. Now you want to talk about faith right now, sowing by faith does way more than sowing out of surplus. God asks us to sow. He says, if you’ll sow that, shall you also reap. I want you to get your giving ready right now. Maybe you’re going to give it by text message. Maybe you’re going to give it by way of the app. Maybe you’ve already given at church on Sunday, or perhaps you’re going to bring it when you come here this week. Whatever you do, make sure you do it by faith. I want you to get a faith seed in your hand, not a seed, a faith seed. I want this seed to say to the Lord, you can trust me.
I want this seed to say to the Lord, I’ve been faithful over a few things. Now it’s time for you to make me rule over much. And Bishop, it just hit me that when you are faithful, the next level is a ruler. That’s right. When you are faithful, the next level is a ruler. I speak ownership and rulership over your life that God would bring you from borrowing to being the lender in the mighty name of Jesus. I pray God in the name of Jesus for every person who’s getting ready to release their gift that nobody would go without because they were faithful to you. In Jesus’ name we pray, hallelujah and amen. Thank you so much for being with myself and Bishop Roberts here on Take action. We’ll see you next week.
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